Hopefully that helps clarify the illegal shot vs foul and if you follow what I am saying, I think the rules you highlighted make more sense. Thanks - that does clarify but the rule still seems a bit odd - it doesn't specify that hitting the eight ball first when the table is open can lead to a score - so I guess if you "accidentally" strike the eight ball first when the table is open then it is not a foul according to this rule but I don't know why they bother referencing using the eight ball in a "called shot" when it goes on to say such a shot can not be used to score.
Generally the 8 ball can never be the first ball contacted unless all other balls in your group have been pocketed and you are actually shooting at the 8 ball.
That is how I interpreted the rule as well - but of course, that means striking the eight ball first would never be intentional even with an open table so it would be rare indeed. About your second point - I assume that you are still required to call the ball that is pocketed in order to score and stay at the table or is that not required when the table is open?
It is still required that you call the ball and the pocket, even when the table is open. If other uncalled balls also fall either before or after your called ball falls , they stay down, and you continue play at the table. If the shooter legally pockets his called ball, the corresponding group becomes his, and his opponent is assigned the other group. If he fails to legally pocket his called ball, the table remains open and play passes to the other player.
If, when the table is open, you call a ball and you do pocket it in the called pocket BUT a different uncalled ball drops first obviously not the 8 then do you lose your turn? If so, I assume that you have still made a legal shot but lose your turn and the table remains open?
Is that also required when the table is not open? If you meet those criteria, you continue to play. Any incidental balls dropped into the pocket stay down, but you remain at the table.
If the Tournament Director, their assistants, or a referee cannot be found within a reasonable time frame, a spectator may sub as an official referee when agreed upon by both players and in accordance with UPA rules. Both players may agree on an audience member familiar with UPA rules to stand in and perform any duty of a tournament official. If there is a shot that could be a questionable hit or foul, the seated player is responsible for calling for a tournament official or agreed upon third 3rd party to watch the hit before the opponent shoots.
Likewise, if a player is uncertain whether some rule has been broken, they are responsible for seeking immediate clarification from league officials or the rulebook before play continues. After play continues, it is unlikely that a problem can be remedied.
Players are encouraged to score their own matches to ensure accuracy, however a third 3rd party is permitted. The scorer is charged to accurately record what actually took place on the pool table and may clarify with the shooter what the intention was whenever needed. A player always has the right to consult the Scorecard with the scorekeeper. Any disagreements shall be determined by a UPA representative. NOTE: If it is believed a player is purposely calling a pocket, however actually playing a safe, then a safety S shall be recorded.
The referee must never give advice nor offer an opinion on points of play. Only when asked for clarification of a rule will the referee then explain that specific rule.
Any incorrect statement made by the referee will not protect a player from enforcement of the actual rule. When asked, the referee must tell either player the score, whether the cue ball is frozen to an object ball or rail, etc. The referee will call all fouls as soon as they occur and will inform the incoming player that they have ball in hand. If a player believes that the referee has failed to call a foul, he must protest to the referee before their opponent takes the next shot.
If the player fails to do so, the foul is considered to have not occurred. When it becomes necessary, the referee will restore disturbed balls to their original positions to the best of their ability. If the referee is not sure of original positions, they may solicit information for this purpose. If the balls were disturbed by a player in the match, the opponent has the option of preventing restoration.
If the balls were disturbed by someone else, it is mandatory for the referee to restore the balls. In this case, if the outside interference had an effect on the outcome of the shot, the referee may instruct the shooter to replay the shot after restoration. If not, the referee will instruct the shooter to continue play after restoration. The referee may use any means to gather needed information in order to make a decision concerning a disputed play or game situation.
Any disagreement between the two players will be resolved by the League Operator or appointed representatives, or any administrative member of the UPA. Any rule or situation not covered in this text shall be decided in an expedient manner by the League Operator, appointed representatives or any administrative member of the UPA in accordance with UPA ideals and guidelines for the purposes of league play to continue.
These rules are consistent nationwide and are not to be altered in any way, shape, or form. Skip to content. UPA 8-Ball Rules. Game play after a Legal Break: When any numbered ball is pocketed on a legal break the breaking player is to continue their inning. Call pocket notes: a It is never necessary to specify details such as the number of banks, kisses, caroms, rails, etc.
NOTE: If the 8-ball was pocketed the result shall be a loss of game. On all shots except on the break and when the table is open , the shooter must hit one of his group of balls first and 1 pocket a numbered ball, or 2 cause the cue ball or any numbered ball to contact a rail. PLEASE NOTE: It is permissible for the shooter to bank the cue ball off a rail before contacting his object ball; however, after contact with his object ball, an object ball must be pocketed, OR the cue ball or any numbered ball must contact a rail.
Failure to meet these requirements is a foul. A player is entitled to continue shooting until he fails to legally pocket a ball of his group. After a player has legally pocketed his entire group of balls, he shoots to pocket the 8-ball. Opposing player gets cue ball in hand. This means that the player can place the cue ball anywhere on the table does not have to be behind the head string except on opening break.
This rule prevents a player from making intentional fouls which would put his opponent at a disadvantage. With "cue ball in hand," the player may use his hand or any part of his cue including the tip to position the cue ball. When placing the cue ball in position, any forward stroke motion contacting the cue ball will be a foul, if not a legal shot.
You'll establish who plays which at the beginning of the game after the break. You don't pocket the 8-ball until the end of the game. When you have pocketed all your balls, you take aim at the 8-ball. The first player to pocket all his or her balls and then pocket the 8-ball is the winner. Name the ball and pocket for which you intend to aim. You don't have to give any more detail than the object ball and the intended pocket. Eight Ball is generally played as a call shot game, which means that before you hit a ball, you must call the shot.
If the shot is obvious, you don't have to call it, but your opponent is entitled to ask if he or she is not sure. However, many people prefer to return the slopped ball to the footspot. One way or another, your turn is forfeited to the next player.
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